June 2, 2014

Vietnamese conquest of Muslim/Hindu Cham and their current situation [extract]


A boatload of trouble and the memory of a bitter past as consolations for the forgotten stateless descendants of the once glorious civilisation and kingdom of Champa - School of Vice  [antoniopw]

"These events are in the distant past. Since all the people involved in these events are dead, theres no use complaining over them now but thats exactly what Vietnam does when it points to China taking over Vietnam 2,000 years ago! And not just the people, but Vietnamese government officials do this."


Vietnam has always presented itself as a victim throughout history. Even the Vietnamese official in "The Fog of War" told Robert McNamara that Vietnam has fought China for "1000 years". The Vietnamese government and people always emphasize this (false) narrative of victimhood. Vietnam is never the aggressor in their accounts. They 

Over half of modern day Vietnam was won by conquest. The Vietnamese were originally confined to modern day Northern Vietnam. The central and southern parts of Vietnam belonged to the former Kingdom of Champa and the Mekong Delta belonged to Cambodia. Muslim and Hindu Cham minorities still live in Vietnam, and others fled to Cambodia, and China. 


Champa in green


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"The fatal blow to Champa was dealt in 1471 when the Vietnamese decided to completely reduce the Kingdom of Champa through extermination. Tens of thousands of Cham were slaughtered in the invasion, taken into slavery and the capital was razed to the ground and burned in a genocide. The Cham population was permanently reduced to a low level of a few tens of thousands of people. Vietnamese colonists settled in Champa by the thousands and now Vietnamese are in the tens of millions in former Champa while the Cham are only around 200,000 in Vietnam today."

The last part of Vietnam which was conquered was a rump Kingdom of Champa in 1832.


United Front for the Liberation of Oppressed Races (FULRO is the acronym in French) was a union of ethnic minority insurgents who fought against both the South Vietnamese and North Vietnamese governments during the Vietnam War. They were a union of Liberation Front of Champa (Front de Liberation du Champa, representing the Muslim and Hindu Cham minority) established by the Muslim Cham officer Les Kosem, Liberation Front of Kampuchea Krom (Front de Liberation du Kampuchea Krom, representing the Buddhist Khmer Krom minority), and BAJARAKA (representing the Montagnard minority). In 1992 the last FULRO insurgents surrendered their arms to the United Nations and fled the country.

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Striking similarities ... between two Kingdoms sharing similarly tragic fate under Vietnamese expansions and genocidal conquests. 

NB: Most ancient ruins scattered across present day central and southern Vietnam attest to other indigenous civilisations and ethno-linguistic groups with Indo-Hindu accent other than those of Vietnamese origin of Sino-cultural influence, a heritage the Vietnamese state has historically and paradoxically embraced and disdained in equal measure, as shown by its adoption of Latino-European writing system in the course of France's recent colonial involvement with Indochina - School of Vice


Ancient Champa inscription: The photograph above shows a stele (an upright stone or slab with an inscribed or sculptured surface, used as a monument) written in Pali, a literary language, written by Buddhist scholars.  'My Son' is a Hindu Champa Temple complex, 70 km southwest of Da Nang, Vietnam and it is a UNESCO world Heritage site.[allthedumbthings]
During the reign of Yashovarman Inscriptions were often digraphic, i.e. written in two alphabets of Indian origin, Pallava (southern) and Nagari (northern), as demonstrated by the entrance piers of Baksei Chamkrong temple, Cambodia. [usembassy]




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Historical background (note that while I think ancient history belongs in the past, its not China which is complaining about invasions 2,000 years ago but Vietnam engages in that behavior, so I'm going to highlight what actually happened)


China was in control of most of northern and central modern day Vietnam 2,000 years ago during the Han dynasty. In 192 a son of a local government official in modern day central Vietnam revolted against the government and established the Kingdom of Linyi (Lam Ap in Vietnamese).



The Kingdom of Linyi became the Kingdom of Champa and it was quickly Indianized and became Hindu due to influence from its neighbor Funan. For the next few centuries while northern Vietnam was under China's rule, Champa would raid the cities in northern Vietnam and China would raid Champa back. Most of the time these raids were for booty and not conquest.


This situation changed in 938 after Vietnam became independent. Vietnam and Champa quickly became enemies and began launching more deadly raids against each other. Champa also sought an alliance with China against Vietnam and stopped all hostilities with China. It was also at this time Islam was first introduced to Champa by Muslim merchants. The Hindu Cham King appointed Muslims as envoys bearing gifts to China. Islam began to be propagated among the Cham.






Vietnam and Champa engaged in various major wars throughout medieval times.



In 1406-1407, in response to Vietnamese raids on Champa and China, China declared war on Vietnam and conquered Vietnam. It was under Chinese control for twenty years until 1427 when the Vietnamese revolted and regained independence. 



The fatal blow to Champa was dealt in 1471 when the Vietnamese decided to completely reduce the Kingdom of Champa through extermination. Tens of thousands of Cham were slaughtered in the invasion, taken into slavery and the capital was razed to the ground and burned in a genocide. The Cham population was permanently reduced to a low level of a few tens of thousands of people. Vietnamese colonists settled in Champa by the thousands and now Vietnamese are in the tens of millions in former Champa while the Cham are only around 200,000 in Vietnam today.



Champa asked China to intervene and China condemend the Vietnamese invasion, but did not enter the war because of its decades long wars with the Mongols and Burmese which exhausted the military forces and revenue of the empire.


A rump, tiny Cham state was set up at Panduranga (Phan Rang – Tháp Chàm) and it was forced into vassalage by the Vietnamese.


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Thousands of Cham refugees fled to other countries like China and Cambodia. In Cambodia Kampong Cham s named after the area where Cham fled to and in Hainan island in China, there is a Muslim community called the Utsuls descended from the Cham when China allowed a Muslim Cham prince and is followers who fled the Vietnamese invasion to settle in China. Both of them are all Muslim communities with no Hindus.




During this time, Islam continued to expand among the Cham people and eventually the King became a Muslim as well. Cham culture continued to flourish in the tiny rump state with both Hindu and Muslim Cham present. The Vietnamese decided to annex this remnant of Champa finally in 1832. However there was resistance to this final annexation. The Malay Katip Suma led a Jihad against the Vietnamese from 1833-1834 to resist until the rebellion was put down.


These events are in the distant past. Since all the people involved in these events are dead, theres no use complaining over them now but thats exactly what Vietnam does when it points to China taking over Vietnam 2,000 years ago! And not just the people, but Vietnamese government officials do this.

Source: Pakistan Defence

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

Vietnam conquered Champa and ruthlessly exterminated the Cham.
They tried to do the same to the Khmer in Kampuchea Krom, but the latter resisted and fought back, this is the reason they still exist by the millions. But, the Vietnamese don’t give up unless the Khmer will be exterminated or assimilated like the Cham, even it will take them another thousand years.
Now they recruit Khmer Krom to be Vietnamese soldiers to fight against China.

Anonymous said...

Thank you God almighty for showing the whole the truth, nothing but the truth, for the truth shall set us free. Viets are the most cunning kinds of people on this planet earth. They robbed and killing of their neighbouring countries to be where they are today. They are full of shit. They are very good at lying, decieving and manipulation e,g how they owed Khmers everything but then, they turned around and say Khmers owed them everything. They brainwashed Hun Sen and his gang to believe in such claim.

History has shown that they were/ are the ones who stir up shit within the Southeast Asia, their way of saying is 'vua Danh trong vua an cuop', which mean they hit the drum and rob at the same time....they think they can get away from such evil tactics and tricks, but not, because in the end, the truth has to be revealed itself like so....

Souls

Anonymous said...

Cham people should wake up and get a piece of their Country back.
The human slaughter Vietnam was/is/will be always extremely cruel. Cham people must fight back.

Anonymous said...

Correction;
I mean showing the whole world...

Anonymous said...


There are Vietnamese who believe that their trick would work by claiming that the Khmer Rouges killed "500,000" Chams. When asked where they got the source from, they were silent.

Vietnamese are the most brutal, barbaric race, exterminating other races in the most savage way to achieve their darkest dream. The savage genocide on the Cham people is an example.


Anonymous said...

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/genocide-against-cham

http://diacritics.org/2010/democratic-kampucheas-genocide-of-the-cham

-Drgunzet-

Anonymous said...

Vietnam wanted to obliterate Khmer and Champa race so that it can have Khmer land and Cham people will never be able to reclaim their territory back.

Anonymous said...


Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

-Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

-My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

-Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

-Deuteronomy 32: 1-3
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! When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

! For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob [Israel] is the lot of his inheritance.


Deuteronomy 32: 8,9
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Commentary:

When God divided the nations according to the number of the children of Israel, the nation of Israel did not existed then.

According to Genesis 10. God listed all the nations according to the number of Noah sons sons, 70 of them. They are all listed in this chapter.

When Jacob journey into Egypt before the exodus; all in his family numbered 70 persons. This matches the number of nations in Genesis 10.

This is the original number of nations when God divided their inheritance according to the number of the sons of Israel. And it shall stand when God will bring all the fragments and splits that has happened during human history. Because of these splits and breakaways human has compounded their own doings.

In the book of IKings, when the first temple was built during the reign of Solomon; during the temple dedication (during feast of Sukkot, fall feast) it read that 70 bulls were offered on the behalf of the 70 nations. See, God did not forget the nations, it just that the nations have forgotten God, their Creator. We see that Israel is interceding on the behalf of these nations as instructed by God himself.

Today, we read a lot of how nations are determined to wipe Israel of the map. Not a smart determination; actually its imbecile acts of the nations. It will turn on their own head and bring their own destruction. Because how a nation treat Israel will determine their own fate and well being.

In conclusion: God is the one who will determine what portion of this earth belongs to whom, not the United Nations.

Let God be true and every man a liar!


MaGogMademn

Anonymous said...

7:38 AM

To prevent Cambodia from becoming the next Champa, we must prepare to fight back.

Fighting with weapons is only one of the many options. The Chams and our Khmer ancestors did not have the " tools " we now have.

Trying to be friend with our traditional enemy is NOT an option. Remember what Norodom Sihanouk did before and during the Vietnam war ?

Anonymous said...

I think the title is misleading, "Vietnamese conquest of Muslim/Hindu Cham and their current situation [extract]".

The Vietnamese didnt exterminate the Champa Kingdom because of their religious belief. The Vietnamese people extermanated the people because they are evil people.

I should also mention that it was the Champa King that protected the Vietnamese people during the Mongol invasion, the Champa King married one of the Vietnamese princess for peace. But the Vietnamese planted his death with poison and killed the King and the monarchy. Soon after that the Vietnamese slaughtered the entire Champa people and laid waste to the land and the cities including thousands of years old culture and religions.

This should be a reminder for the Chinese. If they continue to slap the Vietnamese, the Vietnamese will enjoy the pain. What the Chinese needs to do is stop slapping them around and exterminate every Vietnamese and make them float on the Mekong Delta, the same way the Vietnamese killed every other race.

UN Kid

Anonymous said...

See, I told you. Khmer race is the only known race who keeps talking about murdering, exterminating other races. They are naturally murderers. You don't want to hire them, to have them as neighbors.

-Drgunzet-

Anonymous said...

@June 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM

I should also mention that it was the Champa King that protected the Vietnamese people during the Mongol invasion
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Sources!?

Cambodian times after times denying the fact that Daiviet Empire crushed 3 Mongol invasions by screaming about how the name Youn came from the Yuan dynasty (it's mean the Mongol conquered Vietnam), in the other times they mixed the Thai and Viet and claim Cambodia allowed Vietnamese refugee to live in Cambodia. Now they claim Champa king saved Vietnamese. All of these claim was never ever justified by any sources around the world.

Truly the Cham themselves received a significant Vietnamese reinforcement (at least 30k) men (the garrison of Thanh Hoa province).

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the Champa King married one of the Vietnamese princess for peace. But the Vietnamese planted his death with poison and killed the King and the monarchy.
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The Cham king was around 60-70 years old when he married the Viet's princess. It's a fake rumor about the poisonous. The reason for the marry is the Cham will gilf 2 provinces for Daiviet plus ally treaty. Why should we poisoned him!?

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Soon after that the Vietnamese slaughtered the entire Champa people and laid waste to the land and the cities including thousands of years old culture and religions.
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The married happened during the Tran dynasty in 14th century. The destruction of Champa was at the late 16th century by the second Le dynasty. Don't bark if you have no knowledge.

Anonymous said...

The genie is out of the lamp and there is nothing the Vietcong or the Vietcongnamese or the Vietshit can do now! To the end of the world the Khmer and the Vietshit will be locked in conflict that will never end unless the Vietshit change their brutality and their demeanor toward the Khmer people!

While the world are advancing at a speed of light and the Vietshit still recalled their so called to 2000 years old history to justify the fight against China and the Khmer people! These fucken Vietshit still live in the dark-age and holding on to the grudge of 2000 years history!

For the Khmer people and they don't have to go that far back 2000 years ago! The Khmer people will go back to find their true freedom without the Vietshit government interfering with their life! Since 1949 the Vietshit has oppressed the Khmer Krom people up to now....say no more to the Vietshit government oppression of the Khmer Krom people!

Anonymous said...

June 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You Vietshit claimed a lot of stuffs such as saving the Khmer and saving the Champ and saving Vietshit too?

But the Vietshit leaders have a bad habit of destroying something they have saved from death and destruction! Now no more Cham people! The Vietshit killed all the Cham people! ahahhahahha
Nobody were there to record of what happen of the Vietshit leaders genocide of the Cham people! Nobody know and nobody care and the Vietshit leaders are off the hook!

Now the Vietshit leaders think that they can get away with the genocide of the Khmer people? These Vietshit leaders better think again!

Anonymous said...


Now, it is crystal clear that who were the real killers of Cham people, and Khmer Krom people in Cambodia during the Pol Pot era - put your own answer here.

93 years old woman

Anonymous said...


Sources!?

Cambodian times after times denying the fact that Daiviet Empire crushed 3 Mongol invasions by screaming about how the name Youn came from the Yuan dynasty (it's mean the Mongol conquered Vietnam), in the other times they mixed the Thai and Viet and claim Cambodia allowed Vietnamese refugee to live in Cambodia. Now they claim Champa king saved Vietnamese. All of these claim was never ever justified by any sources around the world.

Truly the Cham themselves received a significant Vietnamese reinforcement (at least 30k) men (the garrison of Thanh Hoa province).

The Cham king was around 60-70 years old when he married the Viet's princess. It's a fake rumor about the poisonous. The reason for the marry is the Cham will gilf 2 provinces for Daiviet plus ally treaty. Why should we poisoned him!?

The married happened during the Tran dynasty in 14th century. The destruction of Champa was at the late 16th century by the second Le dynasty. Don't bark if you have no knowledge.

June 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

The problem with you evil Viets is that you deny everything. Even when this article is posted with references and sources, you return asking for more sources while providing your own sources from Uncle Ho doctrine.

1. You say you protected the Khmer people and never commited genocide on our people.
2. You say the Champa people were savages after you laid waste to their 1800 years old history.
3. You continue to blame the Chinese for every genocide committed by your evil people.

I suggest you read every single book posted in this article and learn about your evil people. For example, go ask the Khmer Krom in Southern Vietnam (Southern Cambodia) about Tea Ong. I bet you evil Viets will also deny this act and put the blame on the Thais or the Chinese.

-The Vietnamese conducted a Genocide campaign against the Cham slaughtering 60,000 when taking the capital. The Vietnamese committed arson and theft and burned massive parts of Champa, seizing the entire country. The Cham told the Chinese that "Annam destroyed our country". The Chinese Ming Dynasty records record the Vietnamese destruction of Champa. The Vietnamese enslaved several thousand Cham and enacted forced assimilation of Vietnamese culture onto Chams. The Chams informed the Chinese that they continued to fight against the Vietnamese occupation of their land, which had been turned into the 13th province of Vietnam.[4]- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1471_Vietnamese_invasion_of_Champa

Cronicle of Champa Kings and Champa culture. https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=3oMqrqSp1W4C&rdid=book-3oMqrqSp1W4C&rdot=1&source=gbs_vpt_read&pcampaignid=books_booksearch_viewport

UN Kid.

Anonymous said...

12:49 PM
UN Kid

Dirty & Dumb Drgunzet likes to distort the facts to clean up his Yuon's evil deeds.

Anonymous said...

1. You say you protected the Khmer people and never commited genocide on our people.
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Who stopped Cambodia's genocide!?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_War

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2. You say the Champa people were savages after you laid waste to their 1800 years old history.
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Remember the Cham sacked YOUR Angkor and sacked Vietnamese capital. That's not talking the conflict between Daiviet and Champa from 10th century to 17th century.

The Cham was clearly not as advance as Vietnamese. That's why they lose. For example Cham language have no word for 'gunpowder' while Daiviet used gunpowder weapons again them.

If you say Vietnamese are savages because they destroyed Champa then how about Greek, Macedonia, Roman...!?

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3. You continue to blame the Chinese for every genocide committed by your evil people.
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I never denied that Vietnamese committed genocide toward Cham. However Cambodia genocide was not committed by Vietnamese.

Anonymous said...

The information in those article only mention about the final attack of Imperial Daiviet again the Cham. I demand the source about this however:

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I should also mention that it was the Champa King that protected the Vietnamese people during the Mongol invasion
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And the later part of my post was used to counter this wrongful though

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the Champa King married one of the Vietnamese princess for peace. But the Vietnamese planted his death with poison and killed the King and the monarchy.Soon after that the Vietnamese slaughtered the entire Champa people and laid waste to the land and the cities including thousands of years old culture and religions.
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Again I never denied that Vietnamese destroyed Champa. Such glorious conquest shall never be forgotten nor denied.

Also that Drgunzet is not the only Vietnamese on this world. There're more than 90 millions Vietnamese which out numbered Khmer 9 to 1

Anonymous said...

Also that Drgunzet is not the only Vietnamese on this world. There're more than 90 millions Vietnamese which out numbered Khmer 9 to 1

June 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

That Drushit maybe 9 -1 to the Khmer and Champa and other minorities killed in their lown land. But will the Youn try to kill us again? So far so Youn only talk tough but havent got the balls to do anything. Look at Drushit many times he said hes been bashed in the head and challenge any Khmer to meet him..

Why hasnt he faced anyone so far?

Anonymous said...

4:40 PM Dirt Drgunzet

Either way you slice it, history has recorded Yuon are lands expansionist and evil race.

Sooner rather than later, the Yuons will have to pay the price.

Anonymous said...

Cham people need to initiate the fight to reclaim its loss Country, at least getting a piece back and create their own state or country.

Anonymous said...

@ MaGogMademn

quit trying to shove your religious belief down people's throat... your god was nothing more than an alien from another planet who ruled over the people called israelites... most of them are now muslim/palestinians -- research genes/DNA done by scientists showed so ; the nowadays jewish were from europe not the direct descendants of the true jewish people anyway....And back in old days, there were other aliens ruling over human besides that one you worship as god and that is WHY your GOD is so jealous and cruel and forbade his people to worship other " GODS/aliens ''. you are too narrow- minded to even consider such possibilities even if the evidences are right in front your eyes.... so to each his own , just don't try to show your belief down other's throat.

Anonymous said...

Khmer race is well known for the nastiest Asian gangs. They are so useless. I asked them a simple question about their own website:
Why does the website
http://ki-media.blogspot.com/
show
Monday, December 31, 275759
???

No Khmer can answer. Of course I can. In school, I used to tutor the Khmer students. I have never encountered such a dumb race. Perhaps I did not meet enough Khmer. But then again, on ALL Khmer forums, I could not find one smart Khmers. Smart Khmer were killed during Thais' sacking of Khmer capitals and Khmer Rouges' regimes.

-Drgunzet-

Anonymous said...

8:00 AM. Dumb Dirt Drgunzet

We still remember a lot of Khmers want to challenge you, in fact at least one Khmer had asked you repeatedly to challenge you face to face and on live TV, but you again and again ran away with your tail between your legs.

What a Yuon pathetic loser !!!

Anonymous said...

To all Khmer friends, it is just a waste of time responding to them. All they want us to feel is anger and more anger inside which will affect our thought and feeling. Best thing is to ignore there response and just say what you all come here to say.